Steve Mehlman April 16, 2014 at 10:30 am
One guess about what Supervisor Ashley might do. He might publicly say that he has gotten theRead More message from the people and the committee and will vote against rezoning. However, behind closed doors, he may have already gotten his four colleagues on the Board of Supervisors to agree to vote Yes on the project (several of them have other Shopoff Group projects in their districts). So Ashley looks like a "hero" while his developer buddy gets his way. A "win-win" all around--except for the citizens he is supposed to represent.
James Andervich April 16, 2014 at 10:51 am
County supers are politicians, it's naïve to believe they serve their constituents; as allRead More politicians, they only serve special interest groups and adhere to the 'good ol' boy system.'
desertpatriot April 16, 2014 at 03:39 pm
Jeremiah April 14, 2014 at 11:35 am
The problem in a nutshell is that City staff made agreements with the developer which by theRead More contract itself they had no authority to make - agreements to change a project concept which was brought before the public and agreed upon by the Council. Now that this has been brought into the open and made known to the public, the developer has a vested interest in not having it brought before the council and the public and wants the Council to rubber-stamp the changes. Three on this council have refused to do so without the public knowing of the changes and getting their comments. The developer knows AB109 is the sticking point and knows that he will never get this by the citizens. So they have started removing the members of the Council who have asked for public comment and direction in order to get what they consider a better chance to wash this all under the rug with two members who have done just as Jerry Westholder did and indicated their position for validating the changes. You'll notice the developer didn't demand that they recuse themselves as biased, have they? **** Jeremiah
Rina Sander April 14, 2014 at 05:43 pm
When did you move to Banning, Jeremiah? It's beginning to sound like you have a vested interest inRead More this project. The majority of 3 seems to think they have a mandate of the citizens, when all is is is their group. Why not ask the citizens what they think. That's all of the citizens, not the folks who communicate through this thread. It is customary that council members make their opinions known after it comes to council. Any developer, bad or good gets the right to a hearing. How can that happen when council members lobby before the issue is heard? When does something good happen in Banning?
Jeremiah April 14, 2014 at 09:23 pm
Rina, good things will start to happen in Banning when you and all these other nebulous people startRead More attending council meetings and making their thoughts and wishes known. I have contacts all through Banning from business owners to churches to restaurants to residents to Council members. I was involved in several start-up businesses here. I will tell you that the word I get from the street is that most of the average citizens do not want a combined Parole/Probation department with an increasing number of AB109 felons located in a complex that was sold to them as a basically retail/hotel/restaurant/small office project. It is NOT a group of three Council members and their cronies as you would have people believe. **** I do have a vested interest in this project - I am a Banning citizen, and I have taken the time to get to know the people involved and the Council members and hear the different viewpoints. Something you obviously haven't done. I have offered a solution (which you obviously haven't read) and taken the time to speak to each of the Council about it. What have you done to present your viewpoint? The Council has asked for suggestions and comments from the public - have you responded to that? They are all very accessible and willing to listen to you. **** My personal stand is somewhere in the middle. I think the City should offer a vacant piece of land near the courthouse at the same terms as the El Paseo project to the developer for the express purpose of building a home for the Parole/Probation department and keep it out of the "Jewel" area. I think they should go ahead and allow the change from a hotel to another "Retail/Office" parcel. If they can obtain a lease from the Riverside County District Attorney's Office for the top floor of the initial construction, the rest of the top offices will fill with attorneys because of the DA and the courthouse. That will draw a restaurant such as Souplantation or Olive Garden or Chili's to serve the Court traffic and attorneys and jurors. That leaves the bottom areas for business support retail. That is my thought and it is a win for everyone involved - especially the public. **** What do you think, Rina, should be done about the fact that the City Manager signed letters of agreement with the developer which were beyond his authorized power to do, in effect bypassing the Council and the public? What do you think should be done about the broken provisions of the contract? Where does the buck stop and all the underhanded stuff be made right and aboveboard with full knowledge of the citizens? Are you saying you are against that? **** Jeremiah
pat April 14, 2014 at 06:40 am
Id give a year's pay if all our elected officials were concerned enough about our area and had theRead More integrity to ask and want to resolve problem issues the way Lloyd does .
desertpatriot April 14, 2014 at 04:24 pm
Libi Uremovic April 14, 2014 at 08:13 pm
'...I'd give a year's pay if all our elected officials were concerned enough about our area and hadRead More the integrity to ask and want to resolve problem issues the way Lloyd does ...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lloyd ran for school board in the last election ....every election cycle decent people try to run for office, but our politics are too corrupt and decent people can't get elected....but that's the fault of the people for being tricked by the corrupt...
Sheri Davis April 11, 2014 at 04:10 am
First of all, there is no David Alvarez that currently sits on BUSD Board. There is, however, aRead More David Sanchez. As for not impacting the health of students that attend the schools, nice try. My youngest child currently attends Beaumont High. He has respiratory issues, and the last thing he needs is this. It's one thing for him to be outside doing the normal daily life stuff. There's just no getting around a certain amount of air pollution. This just adds more to the 'norm' than what he needs, or what I care to have for him. If BUSD Board really believes that this isn't going to impact anyone, then they are sadly mistaken and need to get their heads out of the sand.
Steve Mehlman April 11, 2014 at 09:51 am
Thanks, Sheri. I've corrected David Sanchez's name. Since it is clear that the board majority isn'tRead More listening, we need to get the word out to parents of kids in Beaumont High and the other affected schools. Any suggestions have on how to do that would be welcome and anything you can do to spread the word will be appreciated.
Trina Brown April 12, 2014 at 05:45 pm
three school board seats are up open in november, delongchamp and lara are two of them...
ATC April 13, 2014 at 05:21 pm
I think that, Due to the Brown Act, only two at a time can show at events like these. If FranklinRead More & Welch are there, fine; I'd like to address those two about their support of the Village Paseo debacle.
Ellen Carr April 13, 2014 at 09:14 pm
ATC, you're right about the Brown Act. If more than 2 council members come it can be construed asRead More an illegal council meeting. FYI...a quorum is the minimum number of members required to be present before an assembly can transact business.
Carol Stull April 13, 2014 at 09:36 pm
I was hoping acting police chief Diaz would be there also. I would like to know why "underRead More investigation" takes over a year or longer - sometimes with no public information release at all. For instance officer involved shooting death at the Holiday Inn - "suspect brandished a firearm." Is the Banning PD version what really happened? No public release of the sheriff's investigation? Questions????
3 CFD Areas Highlighted in Yellow
Libi Uremovic April 13, 2014 at 05:16 am
'...2006 lawsuit when Cherry Valley Pass Acres and Neighbors and Cherry Valley EnvironmentalRead More Planning Group sued the City of Beaumont regarding the EIR....' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- another blast from the past for cherry valley ....imagine that...
Libi Uremovic April 13, 2014 at 05:26 am
all three bonds state that the property owners petitioned the city, so we're going to do a recordsRead More request to see these petitions .... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- if pardee homes wants my time and attention i will give them my time and attention .... let's see how much they like it...
Libi Uremovic April 13, 2014 at 07:15 am
March 18th Council Meeting: City attempts to acquire debt by attaching bond to Area 7A..... AprilRead More 1st Council Meeting: City attempts to acquire debt by attaching bond to Area 7D..... April 15th Council Meeting: City attempts to acquire debt by attaching bond to Areas 8E, 8F, 17D, and Area 25.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- in the last month the city has made 3 different attempts to acquire bond debt .... this is not how city governments operate - this is how salesmen operate ....
Diego Rose April 13, 2014 at 10:32 am
Crime has been going DOWN for the last thirty years!!!! The FBI crime stats shows that on average,Read More as a whole that the rate of crime per capita, has continued in a downward trend for thirty years! Our prisons have been turned into profit centers and all that work in it, are part of the problem...Now ask yourself again, Why do we have so many people in jail???
Councilman Knight's Childhood Goal
Ellen Carr April 12, 2014 at 05:12 pm
Glad to hear Cherry Valley has a representative. Do we have anyone with the resources like theRead More Pechanga tribe? Does anyone know how Morango feels? No matter what, Ashley could care less what happens in Cherry Valley. It's not in his neighborhood. It still looks like the committee is overloaded with Beaumont people. I feel Cherry Valley should have more than one representative.
a litttle justice April 12, 2014 at 07:42 pm
Pechanga got involved with the Liberty Quarry project because of the projects proximity to theirRead More sacred land. To my knowledge Morongo's property is nowhere close to the Gateway Project. May need to look for another "deep pocket."
Libi Uremovic April 14, 2014 at 06:30 am
here's wayne hickney stating that he never applied to be on the gateway committee - he was handRead More picked: http://youtu.be/oe3j-49450Y ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- of all the applications they choose two women they think they can control and packed the rest with pawns they KNOW will do what they are told....
Libi Uremovic April 13, 2014 at 05:23 am
city of beaumont is trying to incorporate 3 new improvement areas ....they've got more developersRead More linned up to say that gateway does not effect them - http://banning-beaumont.patch.com/groups/audit-xxxxxviii---three-new-cfd-areas/p/city-of-beaumont-can-not-legally-acquire-more-bond-debt
pat April 13, 2014 at 09:21 am
It really makes no sense how the water dept. can give any more will serve letters with our waterRead More situation . The pass agency will be bringing in NO water this yr. They are relying mostly on leftover water brought in last yr. which was also below what the city asked for .. So in the meantime , the bcvwd just gave sundance the ok to build 1800 more houses . You would think they would postpone this request until it is proven that everyone already here will not be affected by the already existing lack of water . As for the 500 new houses to be built on the sunny cal egg ranch site - These houses will have to be annexed to beaumont so they can be sewered . Lafco may not like the boundries and has anyone considered the fact that the treatment plant cannot accept more from the city . It is already overflowing , not made to receive the amounts its already getting .. Beaumont knows this . I will be curious as to what they intend to do about more houses and a faulty treatment plant .
Dex April 13, 2014 at 09:33 am
As long as the crap doesnt overflow into a council member or Kapanicas's home, they couldnt careRead More less.
Scott Giacolett April 10, 2014 at 11:40 am
If this is Mark Orozco stance he has my vote. My cul-de-sac in Stetson Ranch has 10 homes that IRead More will persuade to vote for him. From there I am sure they will persuade 10 people each and from there there could be a tidal wave support for Mr. Ozozco growing. Though District 5.
Lloyd White April 10, 2014 at 11:46 am
Mark Orozco s the first candidate or elected official to make an official statement against Gateway,Read More even before the No Way Gateway effort started. I have reached out to him to canvass neighborhoods with us against Gateway and officials who support it. We are working on scheduling something in May.
pat April 11, 2014 at 08:00 am
Scott . CVAN has a paper petition going around that anyone who has not signed any of the otherRead More petitions and wishes to put their objections on a petition , it is available . If you have several people who want to sign it , I can bring you a page to pass around and pick it up later if you want to put your email on here .
Shripathi Kamath April 11, 2014 at 08:40 am
Hillary is not Obama. She's Bill with Cheney's aspirations. Christie is not Bush, he is RomneyRead More crossed with Rumsfeld. The candidate to vote for, as in 2012 is Gary Johnson. But that's in 2016. We needed to suffer 2014 first.
Original Pechanga April 11, 2014 at 08:49 am
Should the GOP just go along to get along when the Democrats try to pigeon-hole them asRead More “mean-spirited” regarding this false meme of “women only make $.77 for every dollar a man makes? Or as against immigration reform when the Obama administration has deported more illegals than any President in history? Or that the employment situation is only "improving" because more people LEFT the workforce? Reaching out doesn’t mean giving things away to get a vote, like the Democrats do. It’s convincing those who get things “free”, meaning “free to them” that working and earning are good things, not just for chumps who won’t game the system. Has work ethic become Victorian? Is it collateral damage to try to oust the Democratic incumbents, who have foisted upon us a huge debt, few jobs, a health care program that’s going to cost $2 TRILLION? Remember when the Democrats bamboozled us that it was only going to cost us $900 Billion or so? Seems there is a math problem in Democrat land. Regarding unemployment extension, look at what happened: In December, extentions were ended. January was slow in hiring with the weather an issue and those on unemployment hoping for the extentions to be applied again. When it didn’t happen, what changed? PEOPLE WENT TO WORK, with February and March the largest two consecutive months for putting people to work in the Obama Presidency. When faced with NO extentions, people “miraculously found work”. Democrats must not have counted on that, hoping to get votes from people’s misery.
Shripathi Kamath April 11, 2014 at 09:53 am
"Should the GOP just go along to get along when the Democrats try to pigeon-hole them asRead More “mean-spirited” regarding this false meme of “women only make $.77 for every dollar a man makes? " ___________________________________________________ Heavens no! They should get their binder full of women, and pick one to head a House committee like they did after realizing that all of them were males. They should also pay no heed to the exit polling in seven or eight states where Romney beat Obama by 17 or more points, but the Republican candidate lost to the Democrat. That is, they did not believe the false meme as they voted for Romney, but did when it came to the Congressional candidates. ___________________________________________________ 'Is it collateral damage to try to oust the Democratic incumbents, who have foisted upon us a huge debt, few jobs, a health care program that’s going to cost $2 TRILLION? Remember when the Democrats bamboozled us that it was only going to cost us $900 Billion or so? ___________________________________________________ No, I do not. ___________________________________________________ 'Seems there is a math problem in Democrat land.' ___________________________________________________ Luckily, factcheck set them straight: http://bit.ly/1hGInu6. Although, you misspelled Detractors of ACA as Democrat up there
Sunny Cal & Gateway
Libi Uremovic April 9, 2014 at 06:33 am
'...these questions need to be answered....'Read More ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- your council members didn't ask a question....they were the only ones in the room that weren't shocked at the sunny cal project.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- the developer doesn't care because all expenses are paid by beaumont taxpayers .... it has nothing to do with housing needs or environmental factors and everything to do with the city finding another way to get bond debt ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the ashley and kanaputs found a developer that's wiling to state that he approves of an industrial zone right across the street from his residential community ....and that's all the bullsh!t justification they need...
Libi Uremovic April 9, 2014 at 06:38 am
the city is attempting to push another bond through - it's been on the council agenda, but not oneRead More member of council has noticed.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- there was only one check issued in the last two weeks - and it was to councilman fox....but not one member of council asked why or even seemed to notice...
desertpatriot April 9, 2014 at 03:16 pm
Dex April 9, 2014 at 01:12 pm
Exactly BD...Paul is having trouble seeing the big picture, and perhaps a trip to these areas thatRead More you mentioned will open his eyes just enough so that he can see what happens when developers run amock.
Steve Mehlman April 10, 2014 at 01:24 pm
Beaumont parents, please take note:Read More http://banning-beaumont.patch.com/groups/steve-mehlmans-blog/p/beaumont-parents-please-take-note
Steve Mehlman April 10, 2014 at 03:04 pm
After listening to one council member’s Gateway warehouse presentation at the Council meeting,Read More I was all set to get my fishing rod and sunscreen. If you believe what this council member was told by the developer's P.R. rep and lobbyist, Gateway will mean a park, ponds, bridle paths, and jobs for everyone. Get real, folks. The 2.5 million sq. ft. Gateway will mean increased air and noise pollution and traffic congestion in Calimesa, Cherry Valley, Beaumont, and beyond. It will reduce residential property values. You can debate the degree, but you can’t argue that it won’t. Two council members spoke of being taken by the developer’s representatives on a private tour of warehouses in an industrial park in Redlands. But,as I pointed out in my public comments, those warehouses are miles from residential areas in Redlands. Gateway would be ¼ mile from Rancho Calimesa, and one mile from Sharondale and Plantation on the Lake—all senior communities in Calimesa. Nevertheless, one of the council members who took the tour suggested that they not take a position on the project because it is “not in Calimesa.” Those Calimesa citizens who know better need to keep the pressure on their City Council to say no to Gateway.
Jeremiah March 29, 2014 at 09:13 am
Just a note to get things back on track: This blog is not about personal differences in how you viewRead More the council. This blog is an objective look at what has occurred behind the scenes to change the project from what was sold to the citizens and what needs to be done to get it back on track or make changes if they need to be made. To do that, the citizens need to be involved and this council appears to be committed to doing that in an aboveboard manner. I have asked for people to attend the meetings and comment. I have asked also that people who cannot attend the meetings or who are uncomfortable speaking in public to post their ideas and suggestions on one of several posts concerning the project, and I have tried to speak at the Council meetings to the comments and wishes expressed here and on the other posts. **** It is a wrong thing to put a Council in place and then refuse to support them with your attendance and vocal expressions of the community's wishes, and then sit in the background and pot-shot at them for not doing what you haven't told them you want them to do. **** As everyone here knows, I require comments to my blogs to stay on subject and I actively delete those which make digs or demean others for their viewpoints. Nothing here has crossed the line yet, but it is getting close, so lets tone it down and maybe make a suggestion about how you want the council to proceed in the face of violations of the contract which they approved on Jan 10th, 2012. Keep in mind that at least 3 of the council weren't part of that approval and the two that were a part of the approval did not approve the changes and are not a part of the problem. **** We are looking to them to straighten things out in a completely transparent manner and to represent the wishes of the citizens for any change in the scope or direction of the project. They appear to be doing that. The time for criticism will be if they don't - not before the issue is even addressed. **** Jeremiah
ATC March 29, 2014 at 03:33 pm
Nobody here is bowing to anyone or anything, Alex. As Jeremiah said, this is about what currentlyRead More IS, and what can be done about it. Since you insist that both THIS council AND the previous council are so bad, then what is your solution?
Jim Smith March 30, 2014 at 10:40 am
Written in May of 2011... Blog | Jim Smith's Blog Success at what cost? The proposed "VillageRead More at Paseo San Gorgonio" will be a success at what cost? Posted by Jim Smith , May 08, 2011 at 04:51 PM I have watched, with interest, the evolution of the demolition and redevelopment of the San Gorgonio Inn property. And, let me say, that I believe the project, combined with the construction of the new Justice Center will be a huge addition to downtown Banning. First, there was the debate of the historic value versus the inability to rehabilitate a property in such disrepair. It would have been nice to save the site, but it was more than just a little impractical. The fact that the signs will be saved and incorporated, into the final design, is, at least, some consolation. I hope this element will not get lost! In addition to the historical debate, there is now some concern over whether the project is warranted at all, at this time, with so much office and retail space already available in the downtown area. There are, literally, 1000’s of square feet of space unoccupied in the downtown area, as we speak. The argument, in favor of moving forward, is the future development slated for the city that will, eventually, house 6 court rooms and drive 1000’s of people to the downtown area MONDAY through FRIDAY. What about Saturday and Sunday when most retail business takes place? While this, on the surface, is a great argument, what will happen to the properties that have been rehabilitated with millions of dollars in taxpayer's money along with the investment required of the property owners themselves? As I’ve stated, I personally, believe the San Gorgonio Inn project has more than a good chance to succeed. However, at what cost to the taxpayers and other property owners will this success be achieved? What concerns me, more than anything, is the idea of building a hotel on the site. I know that it is described as just one option by the developer, but I hope that the city decision makers will really analyze this. Just a few questions they might ask are: How many hotel rooms do we already have? What will a new hotel do to the existing hotel owners? Is there enough potential new lodging business, or are we just diluting the business for the hotels we already have? And even if there is projected new lodging needs, do we need another hotel to satisfy the demand? Again, at what cost to existing business owners will this project succeed? I am all in favor of seeing the city be progressive and move forward and have been for the 18+ years I have lived in Banning. I believe that the city needs to be working on projects, now, that will benefit the city in the future. I also believe the economic picture will be brighter as we move forward, even though I am not encouraged by what I have seen so far. We’ll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, as our elected officials wrestle with a plan for the future, I ask, again, at what cost and to whom will the San Gorgonio Inn project be successful?
Rob Turmer April 7, 2014 at 09:17 am
The BCVWD could make a stand by telling Shopoff they will not issue a "will serve" letterRead More to give them access to water. The basin is still in overdraft and we are starting another year of drought. The continued growth in this area has started to take on the characteristics of cancer.
Ken April 7, 2014 at 11:46 am
Good idea...however YVWD is the one that has agreed to supply them with water, I believe.
Steve Mehlman April 7, 2014 at 12:03 pm
The Ashley Gateway Review Committee (a.k.a. "What Color Lipstick Do We Put on the Pig"Read More committee) will meet Thursday, April 10 at 6:30 p.m. at the Noble Creek Recreation Center on Oak Valley Parkway in Beaumont. This committee will continue to meet on the second Thursday of every month at that location. It is CRITICAL that those who oppose the Gateway warehouse and the rezoning that would make it possible attend these meetings in force.